I am an introvert and was married to an extrovert for 16 years. It was but he does very much enjoy being outdoors, talking to people about stuff he's into etc.). Your interest in whether someone else is an introvert or extrovert lies four hours and he's still killin' it, but I'm at the point where I'm sneaking. As an introvert, I oddly find myself drawn to people who are much more outgoing than I am. It's been pretty beneficial in many ways, from helping me get out of.
Flip it around, what would your response be to "why did you do so much talking last night? If you can chill out and actually do it, not make an effort while you hope she changes and she might, but she'll change by degrees, doubtful she'll ever become an extrovert go for it.
Otherwise you'll just get more resentful so you might as well cut your losses now. She needs people around to recharge. I need a lack of people to recharge. There is no reason she needs to suffer through your personal life. She can do her own thing, whether it be reading, yoga, painting, etc.
You can go be a social butterfly. You do not have to spend the majority of our social lives together. If you require, and I do mean require, that of someone, then you need someone else. You seem to be unwilling to let her be her. If she's not comfy around your friends after six months, bitching to MeFi won't change that. And neither will confronting her about it. Now she'll sit there quietly thinking "these are the friends I have to be OK with" the entire time.
In short, let her be her and you be you. If flying solo the majority of the social time is not for you, then you need to find someone else who wont' be miserable tolerating your social life. You'll both be happier for it. For someone who claims to be so well read on introverts, you sure do seem to think "why can't this person just be like me for a little bit?
You consider an intrinsic part of her personality to be some sort of character flaw. I think this makes you incompatible with her. Be kind and end it. Do your friends try to engage her in conversation one on one, or make the conversation about things that she'll be able to follow? I am by no means an extrovert but more so than my boyfriend; he is quiet with my friends but certainly talks to them when they talk to him.
I do feel like you sound a bit contemptuous of her social style though.
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I think shyness, in the form of anxiety, is something to be worked through; but I don't think being an introvert is the same as being afraid of interacting with others--it's a lifestyle, not a deficiency. If I knew my partner was wincing at my loving text messages, I wouldn't want to be with him. I missed this until xingcat pointed it out. Yeah, it's not a character flaw or something to overcome. If you can't accept that she's probably going to be quiet when you go out, maybe you do need to end it.
But I would, if I were you, evaluate why you felt that way and why you think you need someone to be the life of the party with you. Everything else about her seems almost perfect for you. I assure you that isn't the case. Look, I'm on Metafilter. I've read many accounts of social anxiety. And I love my girlfriend. It isn't an issue of respect. When I'm at a party and she spends the whole time sitting next to me and feeling silent, I feel I feel like I'm taking something away from her, or being the loud obnoxious brute who's monopolizing the conversation.
I feel kind of bad for your girlfriend because it seems like you haven't really tried to understand her or see things from her perspective I could see how you'd get that impression, but I assure you that isn't the case. It's much more the case of me being at a social event with her and thinking, "gee, it'd be nice to be with someone who was more of a help in a social setting" or going to a social event by myself and thinking "gee, it'd be nice to have a girlfriend who liked to go to these things" Do not stay with this girl simply because you detest the idea of being single again.
I've spent most of my life single; I can guarantee this isn't an issue. You haven't mentioned that she as any trouble with you being an extrovert, so it's all on you.
You really need to sit down and ask yourself how absolutely important is it to have an extroverted partner. Are you going to be miserable if your partner isn't a social butterfly? If you are, then it's time to move on. Maybe some sort of compromise. Can you live with the fact that she's fine in small groups of people? Maybe focus your bonding in social situations on the small groups. Please stop looking at her shyness or her inability to make small talk as a negative trait or negative implications of your friends.
She's not judging you or them. If she's anything like me, she's probably interested in listening to what your friends have to say, but don't know how to relate that to herself and speak up. Especially if your friends are extroverts.
Is she nodding her head, making eye contact, giving expressions? If so, she is talking, just nonverbally. If she's just staring down at her food and pretending to be as small as possible, she is seriously uncomfortable and doesn't want to be there. In which case I'd give her hugs when you get some alone time and mention that she looked really uncomfortable and ask what I could do to make it not uncomfortable next time If you want to save this relationship, communicate more! Not in a blaming fashion, but in a more: Do your girlfriend a favor and end it, so she can find someone who loves and accepts her entire personality.
So it takes her more than six months to be comfortable joining in a pre-existing group of friends. This isn't some huge flaw. It might be a dealbreaker for you it sounds like itbut it's not a flaw. She isn't going to be a "help" in social settings, and she isn't going to start to want to go big parties or big meals and she isn't going to change this.
If this irritates you so much you are cringing at her text messages, just break up with her. Everyone has character flaws, including me. I'm beginning to wonder if I phrased the question poorly; I'm not really asking for an "up or down vote", I'm really mostly looking for others who have been in similar situations and am interested in how they dealt with it. Unless you are both in your mid-to-late teens, it is unlikely that her inherent introverted nature is going to change dramatically enough to fully meet your needs.
I mean, sure, she might be the life of the party if she developed a drug or alcohol dependency, but that's not exactly the best way to heal a troubled relationship. You wince at her sappy messages, you fantasize about dating other people, you are hoping that if you wait it out, she'll change.
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I'm a big 'ol introvert. I have a lot of hobbies and close friends I enjoy, and I like arranging my life so that I have quiet time to think and dream and do the things I like. If I don't get time to do those things on a regular basis, I start to feel overstimulated and stressed out.
More than that, I just don't value the sorts of vapid, shallow conversations that people have at big parties full of strangers. I prefer to spend time with a few close friends with whom I can be myself and have deep relationships, even if a lot of our interaction takes place virtually. I am not willing to give up my rich inner life to spend more time making small talk with strangers. My boyfriend is an extrovert. He doesn't like being alone with his thoughts. He needs constant noise and stimulation to function.
Frankly, I think he's afraid of silence and being alone because it forces him to confront his own feelings and thoughts, and he'd rather be distracted so that he doesn't have to think deeply about things.
He's not opposed to quiet dinners with just a few people sometimes, but he insists on constantly distracting himself from the things that really matter by pursuing noise and activity and shallow small talk with people whom he doesn't really let get to know him. I worry that he's incapable of building a close relationship because he's gotten so used to shallow acquaintances that he rotates through constantly as he gets bored of them. He almost never wants to sit at home quietly with me so that we can enjoy being alone together, and I worry that his constant need for distraction is preventing us from really having the sort of close relationship I want.
Ideally, I'd have a mate who is as introspective as I am, or at least not such an extrovert. He'd have his own rich inner life, and we could enjoy spending time alone together without needing to be distracted by activity.
I realize that I'm a bit of an oddball and I'm lucky to have found him, but I'm afraid that we'll never be as close as I'd like because of his constant need to find new strangers to talk to.
About a week ago, he dragged me to yet another room full of strangers, then abandoned me to go talk to people he didn't know. I didn't really have much to say and was feeling overwhelmed, so I was pretty quiet.
Afterwards, he confronted me and told me that I made the situation awkward for him by not being louder and more exciting. He didn't want to accept that it takes me a while to warm up to people and that these stranger-courting skills he takes for granted are out of my comfort zone.
He told me that shyness is a negative personality trait and that I should work to overcome it. He thinks I have a mental illness social anxiety because I enjoy really getting to know people instead of making vapid small talk in a huge, loud room.
The thing is, I don't really want to become like him. I'm happy to have him go off and do his own thing, but I get the sense that he doesn't actually like my personality because I'm not as flashy and exciting as he wants me to be. I also suspect that he might be pretty shallow, and I'm not sure whether someone who feels the need to constantly seek out new experiences can ever actually commit to a long-term relationship with just one person.
So, should I break up with him? Do you see what I did there? I described her personality traits in a positive way and yours negatively deep and thoughtful rather than flashy and loud. I made assumptions about your mental health based on your superficial behavior he must be shallow and afraid to share his feelings because he has so many acquaintances and scorns the desire for a few close friendships. Basically, I did the reverse of what you've been doing to her. I'm not saying that she feels the way I've described.
I'm saying that you're being deeply unfair to her, and just as it's not okay for me to do that to you, it's not okay for you to do that to other people. The two of you are different, and that's okay.
What's not okay is your view that your way of doing things is the right way and hers is the wrong way. You say that you're "absolutely unwilling to change" your desire for constant stimulation from other people and that you want her to "overcome" her "mostly-negative" desire for quiet time free of social activity. That's not a sustainable relationship. You need to decide whether you can love her actual personality rather than the hypothetical personality you think she should work towards having.
Both sides have to view this as a problem, want to fix it and make and effort to do so. Two nights a week go be extroverted. Two nights you go be introverted. Two nights a week go solo with friends. Flip for the seventh. Like any couple problem, you work together on it and find a compromise that pleases you both. I think if you are out having a solo social life, and simultaneously you think of her shyness as something that bothers you, you might end up cheating at some point.
As an introverted female, when I've dated extroverted guys it often ended up that way. I didn't want to go out to bars and parties, they did, and they ended up meeting other girls who were more like them. I ended up an introverted guy for this reason. Don't settle for someone who doesn't have the basic things that are important to you. It's not fair to you or her. If this problem was something that could be overcome, you'd appear more concerned about how she's feeling in a social setting. I'm an introvert with an extroverted spouse and though he thrives on being around people, he also cares deeply for how I'm doing and puts his need to socialize on the backburner if he's worried that I'm uncomfortable.
I do my best to socialize if it appears to make him happy, and he does his best to tone it back if it appears to make me happy. However, just remember you may not be a social butterfly forever. What are your ages?
Values regarding friends and social activities can change dramatically. Personally, I became much more of a homebody over the years. When we go to events or social occasions, I make a big effort to introduce him to people, point out similar interests, etc. He's not going to tell jokes to 40 people at once, but he does start chatting--he doesn't sit there, waiting for me to carry the whole social load.
While we didn't make an explicit deal about this, it's worked out over the years. It would be ungracious of him to be stone silent, and it would be rude of me to leave him to fend for himself. It's got to be a team effort. I forgot that if you ask people for advice, they'll often tell you to quit your job, leave your girlfriend, start a new business, and travel the world. Because they don't have to deal with any of the consequences. Maybe this question is unbalanced a bit. Anyway, if I could request anything of future commenters, I'd say maybe a little less of "you sound like a jerk, break up with her", and maybe a little more of "I was in this situation and we did this" And please do realize that I love this woman.
I really do not want to break up with her. My husband is extremely introverted. We've been together for sixteen and a half years. The most important thing I can tell you right now is to absolutely ruthlessly root out any sense that shyness or introversion is a character flaw or something to be overcome. It is a fundamental part of who your partner is. If you can't or are unwilling to love this part of her as much as you love the rest of her, you need to move on, because nobody wants to be in a relationship with someone who is waiting for them to get over their personality.
If you stay with this person, then a major part of your relationship is going to be you going out while she stays home, and you entertaining friends in the living room while she reads a book in the bedroom.
Examples are illustrative, not predictive. This is not because she is uncomfortable and resentful, it is because that's what she wants to be doing and it makes her happy. If you need someone who is going to be happy going out with you and doing the things that you do, then this woman is not that person, and expecting her to be will only lead to heartache. I love my introverted husband. I love him because he's an introvert, not despite it, though.
You need to be able to do the same for this to work out. The reason everyone is telling you to break up with her is because you seem to want a different answer than that. These days I'm with someone who is still much more extroverted than I am, but not to the extent that my ex was, and we do make it work. It takes a good mix of him going out alone sometimes, me sucking it up and being social sometimes, and planning ahead so we both know we're going to a party Friday and I'm therefore going to be drained and not up to socializing the rest of the weekend.
And both of us realizing the other person's thing is not negative or wrong, just a different way of interfacing with the world. If you hadn't framed this with the negative personality trait stuff I'd be heartily encouraging you to keep talking it out and working on compromises. But the way you talk about her makes me hesitant. Good luck, however this ends up. If you do want to give this relationship a go, this is where to focus your attention. Not on her and why she needs to change or you need to leavebut on you.
With compassionate curiosity, look more deeply into your own reactions. What emotions and stories come up when she is being quiet in a group of your friends? What do those emotions remind you of? What do you fear will happen? What are you making it mean?
As an extrovert, one of your "character flaws" may be a lack of tendency to look inward, to witness and reflect on your own interior monologue. In other words, you might not know what you think until you hear what you say.
I am an extrovert, and this happens to me all the time. Talking with a counselor or a trusted friend can help in this process. Then accept, without resentment, that she may never be able to fulfill your social expectations without likely a lot of personal stress and emotional upset. Discuss with her everything you've mentioned here and try to reach a compromise. I don't think you're a jerk, I just think you are perhaps lacking a true understanding of how utterly fucking exhausting it is for introverts to be frequently put into social situations that they find stressful, and then face questioning about their already uncomfortable feelings afterwards.
You obviously have empathy for your girlfriend's situation, so can you try to imagine how awkward it must have been for HER? Although I can tell you what it will tell you, it's really really worth the read. I don't know why I even bother answering these kinds of questions with my own opinion when she has done it so much better. Things have never worked out between me and an extroverted partner. I'm getting the "this guy is likely to stray" vibes from you and I really feel that you two should call it quits.
After 10 years together, I've learned that if I need to socialize, a lot of that socialization is going to happen without my husband. We have some mutual friends, but I have lots of friends that I see on my own. She's not gonna change. Is the above something that is okay with you? We do pretty well because--and this is key--my ideal life does not include an extroverted partner. That's the problem here.
Not her introversion, but the fact that your ideal life includes a partner who can be a social butterfly with you. I'm sorry this is so hard.
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Her experience, mindset, and preferences are valid. She doesn't need fixing. What an extrovert like you needs to do in this situation is think through what you want and be realistic about whether this relationship can be that for you.
It's okay if the answer is no. If the answer is yes, you need to figure out how to accept what you view as her limitations and not call her out on them or get upset about them. She has chosen to go with you, to do something you enjoy. If she was really, truly miserable at an event, I'm assuming she could leave. Give her more permission to be be herself, and don't spend so much time monitoring her social engagement.
By all mean, check in with her, make sure you talk to her and stand near her often in a social situation but don't obsess about how much she is talking. Simply enjoy that she came to the event with you. I'm an introvert who was in a relationship for many years with an extrovert.
He always had to be at every party and was always the last person to leave the bar at closing. Trying to keep up with him was exhausting for me. It worked well for a while when I could come and go as I pleased - go home before him and so on. However, things started to fall apart because he had no interest in the small dinners with friends that I wanted, and he also started to feel that I didn't "support" him enough socially.
On the other hand, I felt like he was a black hole of social need and nothing I did would ever be enough. It all ended badly, with him cheating with late night party girls, as permiechickie points out is a risk. I guess they were more supportive? Learn how to direct the flow of conversation so that she has things to add, or comment on; figure out which of your friends she has the most in common with, attempt to get them talking.
If this means finding people with whom she has things in common, and then essentially starting a conversation for them, do it. I hate when people do this to me. I can get over my shyness once I've become comfortable somewhere or with a certain group of people, but if I'm left to myself right away I will miserable.
If she can handle hanging out in small groups, do that more often, or manufacture a situation in which people are more inclined to splinter into groups like this. And when I have to make small talk with a person whose name I forgot, I can lean on her for that too. That being said, simple activities are waaaay more complicated. Being the classic introvert that I am, I love getting immersed in movies, music, and art. Soaking in dystopian sci-fi vibes and letting my imagination run wild is my nerdy mental home base.
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For the extrovert, this is a nightmare. Clubs are too loud to hear, galleries too quiet to talk, and sitting through a whole movie makes her feel bored or suffocated. She prefers social activity, like watching reality TV while dissecting the life choices of everyone on screen.
Like, the whole time. She has no qualms chatting about her day at work while someone is getting horrifically murdered on television in the background. Turns out, these are not the greatest conditions for a serious conversation.
Our greatest difficulties arrive during our most stressful times. She spent the day meeting serial killers, bombers and rapists, and wanted to vent.